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  ETERNITY BEFORE CREATION.....THE NON-EXISTENCE.....of GOD!

  by Terry in

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  before god began creating.......he wasn't a creator.. before god began creating.....there was nothing......and therefore nothing to know.. before god began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....and therefore nothing to love.. before god began creating...he was alone with nothing to distinguish him from nothingness except--what?

  his mind?

  filled with what, actually?.

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  White Dove

  I know what you mean. Just because I am finding the concept of the biblical God hard to swallow doesn't mean that there isn't some OTHER kind of god or supreme power that made all of this. I am not closing my mind to that possibility because we ARE here, aren't we? So, you're saying that the Bible puts God into an itty-bitty space? If so, I agree.
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  ETERNITY BEFORE CREATION.....THE NON-EXISTENCE.....of GOD!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  before god began creating.......he wasn't a creator.. before god began creating.....there was nothing......and therefore nothing to know.. before god began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....and therefore nothing to love.. before god began creating...he was alone with nothing to distinguish him from nothingness except--what?

  his mind?

  filled with what, actually?.

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  White Dove

  "Before me, there was no God formed..." WHAT??? Before a never begining God, there was no god formed...WHAT??? Is this an oxymoron? Part of the sentence cancels out the other part like "a loud silence." OK, I am starting to REALLY NOT believe in God. Parts of the Bible are not making omni-science sense like the story of how God had to go down to Sodom to see if the awful stories he heard about it were true. Omni-science: NOT! (Yes, I know it is just one word. I like to separate some words, sometimes. Doesn't it mean all-knowledge?)
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  ETERNITY BEFORE CREATION.....THE NON-EXISTENCE.....of GOD!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  before god began creating.......he wasn't a creator.. before god began creating.....there was nothing......and therefore nothing to know.. before god began creating...there was nothing and nothing to know....and therefore nothing to love.. before god began creating...he was alone with nothing to distinguish him from nothingness except--what?

  his mind?

  filled with what, actually?.

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  White Dove

  Amen, Brother Terry, excellent comment! Let's go on to paragraph two

  This could be what was lurking under my brain that made me lose any belief in the Christian God of the Bible. I wondered why, once I began losing faith in Jehovah, it sort of snowballed into outright lack of faith in anything connected with that god. THIS is why it happened and why I am now a happy, new, born-again pagan I saw that on a bumper sticker in a witch shop I frequent: born-again pagan. I thought it was so cute

  Chenoa
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  Were you sure to be saved, when you were an active JW?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if armageddon would have happened while you were an active jw, do you think you would have been saved?.

  i'm sure i would have been saved the first 4 years i was in and i was active.. .

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  White Dove

  I was always reminded that "none of us are guaranteed." Then, a brother gave a talk and said that we hold our own salvations in the palm of our hands in what we choose to do with our lives. I then told my mom that I am saved because I choose to live my life toward that goal. But, "none of us are guaranteed." Huh?
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  Being afraid

  by ex-nj-jw in

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  when i was a little girl, i was very afraid of thunderstorms - every time we had one i thought it was armageadon (did i spell that right?)..

  so what were you afraid of?

  what made you think the "big a" was here?

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  White Dove

  I was deathly afraid of the dark, especially after studying with my mom about demons. It would always be in the evening and I would go to bed right after the study. Good timing, Mom!

  nvr, you have a pm.
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  My Theory

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have had this theory for a very long time and i would like to hear what everyone has to say about this.. i think that people are either inherantly religious or not.

  if they are inherantly religious, then the wtbts will naturally apeal to them, all the deep in depth study and the bible analysis and so on.

  they feel the need to look to a higher source for fulfilment.. and then there are those that are not inherantly religious... the ones the prefer to concentrate on the here and now.

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  White Dove

  Learning to fly,

  I agree with you totally!
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  My Theory

  by Princess Daisy Boo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i have had this theory for a very long time and i would like to hear what everyone has to say about this.. i think that people are either inherantly religious or not.

  if they are inherantly religious, then the wtbts will naturally apeal to them, all the deep in depth study and the bible analysis and so on.

  they feel the need to look to a higher source for fulfilment.. and then there are those that are not inherantly religious... the ones the prefer to concentrate on the here and now.

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  White Dove

  I might get burned by saying this, but I think the deeply religious are deeply dependent and need to be told what to do. You know, have others plan their present lives and future lives for them instead of having the intestinal fortitude to plan things themselves and take responsibility for their lives themselves. They need a scape goat for when something bad happens, the devil. They need someone else to pull them out of their messes, God and church elders. Paganism means 100% responsibility and independence and that may be why it is feared by all. Those in power have no power over most pagans. There is no devil. There is no vengeful, caring, terrorist, loving god to appease. There is just you who are responsible for you, yourself and you. I tried Christianity and can't stomach it any more. Can't bring myself to believe in or follow any of it.

  Chenoa
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  THE FUTURE OF CIVILIZATION

  by fedorE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dr. michio kaku and the future of civilization.

  (nothing i say can even start to encourage respect for this man's intellect..just check this out ).

  video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6318925812042869495&q.

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  White Dove

  ...depends on what our reincarnated karmic selves do with it. Will there be a civilization to come back to?
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  are witnesses dumb?

  by under_believer in

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  2. friends

  they're merely ignorant.

  and why, you ask, are they ignorant?

  in august, 2007 a professor at quaid-i-azam university in islamabad, pakistan named pervez hoodbhoy wrote an essay titled science and the islamic worldthe quest for rapprochement.

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  White Dove

  I suspect the reason why so many of them walk around with something stuck up their butts is because they put all of those nagging doubts there because they have no where else to put them. I know I sat on my doubts for many years not risking pulling them out for questioning.
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  are witnesses dumb?

  by under_believer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  they're merely ignorant.

  and why, you ask, are they ignorant?

  in august, 2007 a professor at quaid-i-azam university in islamabad, pakistan named pervez hoodbhoy wrote an essay titled science and the islamic worldthe quest for rapprochement.

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  White Dove

  No, they aren't dumb. I've heard them speak. They are kept in mental suspended animation. They don't know any other way to think. Poor blokes.